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Vendettas live on in Egypt, writes Sara Abou Bakr

Sara Abou Bakr

Sara Abou Bakr

For the past three weeks, most Egyptians have been living in fear; the Coptic community more than any other group.

Since the ousting of Mohamed Morsi by the people and with the help of the armed forces, there have been systematic attacks on Christian-affiliated buildings throughout the country.

As of Thursday, 45 churches have been attacked; many architectural gems have been burnt to the ground. Shops and buildings belonging to Christians have been marked in Al-Minya governorate in Upper Egypt, known for its Coptic community, with a black “X” by radicals.

Copts lived in fear seeing many of their churches, schools and orphanages attacked and torched, while being verbally abused by the attackers. The Muslims who formed neighbourhood watches to protect their Christians neighbours offered little solace to those living in fear in their own country.

The Muslims who did not belong to or sympathise with the Muslim Brotherhood were not faring much better on the psychological level. Radical sheiks verbally abused them on their private channels, questioned their faith and at times called them infidels. Caught in an emotional war fuelled by the abuse of religion, many Muslims were filled with rage for their religion and for the use of said religion to prosecute Copts, Shias and anyone who did not conform to the Brotherhood’s way of thinking.

But let’s back up a bit to examine the facts that brought the country to this congested state.

In June 2012, Egyptians willingly helped Mohamed Morsi become the first civilian president of Egypt. Believing that he and his Brotherhood were “God-fearing” men, they elected him in hopes of a better life.

In his year of power, Morsi’s government showed a lack of vision that was alarming; while the human rights situation was not improving and his two constitutional declarations that put him on the path to become a dictator riled many, it was the failing economic decisions and the lack of security that drove the already weary Egyptians to the brink.

Thus, the Tamarod (Rebellion) campaign emerged, collecting 22 million signatures and ID numbers of those wanting to oust Morsi within two months. Some doubted the number, but the millions who took to the streets on 30 June were living proof of the will of the majority.

In every governorate, citizens gathered to peacefully demand that Morsi step down. Although people anticipated deadly clashes with Brotherhood supporters, they  took to the streets, willing to die out of the desperation. On that night, they discovered they were not alone; that millions felt the same way. The discovery was euphoric to many, especially those who never participated in a demonstration before.

For three days, Morsi remained defiant, believing the protests will die out, but the will of the tired, desperate people prevailed and on 3 July the armed forces sided with the people, ousting Morsi.

On the streets people were jubilant. They did not, and still do not care, whether the west labelled it a “coup”, a “military takeover” or a spaceship invasion. They have been living in a country torn by sectarian incitement made by radical sheiks, backed by Morsi and the Brotherhood, where they were barely making ends meet.

A reporter asked me a couple of days ago, “but the Brotherhood believes that they elected Morsi who has legitimacy.” To which my response was “I understand, but whensomeone who can barely feed their children takes to the streets and tells me his children are hungry because of Morsi, then what can I say?”

A man who works with horses near the pyramids when I asked him about his skinny horses told me, “I swear I feed them one day and my children the other day.” How can I explain legitimacy to him?

Thus, while many foreign reporters wrote about the loss of the Arab spring, Egyptians were too busy with a feeling they almost forgot about: hope.

As Egypt started to move forward with the roadmap for a new fair elections and an interim leadership, Morsi supporters decided to hold a sit-in at Rabaa Al-Adweya mosque, asking for Morsi’s “legitimate” return. With his photos held in every hand, the sit-in was a Morsi love-fest.

A week into the sit-in, the Brotherhood decided to change tactics; Morsi’s photos disappeared, demands for his return quieted and the sit-in became the “anti-coup” sit in. The new image better suited the western perspective, and in turn, the media.

What was not reported was the systematic attacks on Rabaa residents, the checkpoints they had to go through on a daily basis, the women who had to cover their hair to pass the sit-in for fear of attack and the torture that took place inside the sit-in to people who were suspected to “not belong”.

Several Egyptian journalists were attacked inside the sit-in including an AFP photographer. The media centre inside Rabaa confiscated cameras to “check the photos”. Of course, this was mainly done to Egyptian reporters, and not all of them. Foreign reporters, however, were quite impressed with the Rabaa tour offered by the sit-in organisers.

Another sit-in emerged at Al-Nahda square in Giza. This sit-in was smaller and much less organised. Problems started to emerge between the protesters and the residents until the fateful 2 July when clashes ensued and 23 residents of Bein Al-Sarayat, near the sit-in, were viciously killed. Until this day, there is a vendetta between the Brotherhood and the residents.

Morsi supporters killed residents in sporadic clashes throughout July and August in different areas:  Bein Al-Sarayat, Al-Manial, Al-Kit Kat, Boulaq, Al-Haram, October bridge, and that was in Greater Cairo alone. Alexandria also witnessed the brutality of the Brotherhood and Morsi supporters, burying eight people last week.

Vendettas live on in this country.

Reports of armed protesters spread and people became more worried.

On Wednesday, Egypt woke up to news of the sit-ins dispersal. On the streets, many were cheering and helping the police. The Al-Nahda sit-in, despite having weapons, was dispersed with minor causalities. Rabaa, however, was a mess. Officially there are over 600 bodies, 51 belonging to the police force.

Despite safe passages for women and children who wanted to leave the sit-in, death prevailed.

The Ministry of Interior viewed it as a victory that out of the thousands at the armed sit-in, the causalities were in the hundreds. The Brotherhood called it a massacre. The people on the street were shocked by the amount of blood and the number of weapons found in the sit-in.

In Mohandessin, a neighbourhood near the Daily News Egypt offices, Morsi supporters were running around with AK47s. Many felt bad about the dead, but at the same time they were too busy trying to protect their families from armed men roaming the streets in Egypt looking for their deposed president.

The climax was Friday. The Brotherhood called for fresh demonstrations. Their peaceful supporters were wielding AK47s in my neighbourhood, which overlooks the 15 May Bridge, which they had blocked. A neighbour’s window was penetrated by a bullet, and another local resident was shot while looking at the scene from his window.

Several police stations were attacked as well as two churches in Al-Minya. Clashes in several governorates erupted with residents facing off with armed Morsi supporters.

In Ramses, when Brotherhood members headed to Al-Fatah mosque, after the curfew which was imposed on Wednesday by President Adly Mansour, it was a street war. Violence spread, with Brotherhood supporters firing at anyone in sight, and the police and the military responding. A blood bank was burnt after an adjacent building was set on fire.

Ramses residents, who have their own vendetta with the Brotherhood since clashes on 6 October Bridge in late July , helped the police according to eyewitnesses.

Currently there are fresh calls for demonstrations from the Brotherhood, which , throughout the last month, has refused several initiatives offered by different groups, including the highest Islamic body Al-Azhar, to go back to the negotiation table.

As reporters, we called them on an almost daily basis and their stoic response was “Morsi has to be reinstated”, refusing to offer an alternative or a middle ground. They refused to acknowledge the millions who took down Morsi, remaining as arrogant as usual in thinking that Egypt would succumb to their threats.

Throughout the last month, there have been systematic attacks in Sinai. Brotherhood and Freedom and Justice Party Leader Mohamed El-Beltagy in a video interview said:  “the attacks in Sinai will continue until Morsi returns to power.”

These attacks have left an estimated 50 army personnel dead so far. Attacks targeted checkpoints and police stations with RPG and homemade bombs as well as fire arms.

The same group has also been calling for foreign intervention in Egypt for the better part of last month, making Egyptians despise them even more. In Egyptian culture, this is taboo.

The Copts, who have had their churches burnt to the ground and are considered by the international community a minority group, have not called upon anyone but their fellow Egyptians for help. Many Copt activists spearheaded an initiative refusing “foreign intervention” on their behalf.

The Christian community is currently very angry with the western administrations for their stance in the latest events. The Coptic Orthodox Church took a historical step on Friday and issued a statement denouncing the western coverage of the latest events, refusing foreign intervention and promising that Egypt will not fall victim to sectarian strife. For many Egyptians, this is the definition of patriotism.

Currently, Egyptians are fighting to protect their way of life against an armed group that is clearly backed by western administrations. This backing is making Egyptians ever more resolute to get rid of the Brotherhood and they will. This group is currently being isolated by society, not just the security apparatus.

The problem is how to heal Egypt after all the death and blood; The Egyptian community is a familial one where people are always sticking their noses in each other’s business. In each neighbourhood, people know each other, their families, and their “affiliations”. How will the Brotherhood sympathisers be re-integrated in society?

People who have buried their children on all sides are currently suffering: the residents who were caught in the crossfire, the innocents who were used by a radical group, the Copts and Shias who were verbally abused, the woman who was assaulted because of her lack of veil, among others.

The Egyptian community in the coming period needs spiritual and political leaders to step up and help it heal; to have live debates on state TV for everyone to watch where grief is shared and opposing point of views are portrayed. Ways to accept the other and renouncing violence have to be drummed up in this aching community.

There are a lot of challenges ahead for this country, but accepting an armed group on the negotiating table is not one of them, despite western backing.

And to western tax payers, in particular the Americans; your money is used by your government to back such groups throughout the developing world. In March, John Kerry released $250m in aid after meeting Morsi, and this is the tip of the iceberg. Isn’t it time to question where your hard-earned money goes

About the author

Sara Abou Bakr

Politics editor at Daily News Egypt Twitter: @sara_ab5

  • abdul .a. shaiky

    WHAT HAPPENING IN EGYPT.?
    THE KILLING OF DEMOCRACY.!! EGYPT IS NOT REASY FOR DEMOCRACY.!!A woman in Al-Adawiya’“We elected [Mohammed] Morsi, not the military council,” says a woman in Rabaa al-Adawiya Mosque Square. And she directs a very simple question to the TV news microphone extended to her. She asks who stole her vote, addressing her question to the whole world, the US and to the entire European Union.
    Everyone knows the answer.
    Actually, there is a very simple fact that stands out. Everything has unfolded before our eyes.
    Egypt’s democratically elected president was overthrown by the army. This is the crux of the matter and above all, the immorality of this coup d’état needed to be acknowledged.

    • Ogmius

      Your president was only elected “democratically” because of the Fairmont Agreement, of which every promise he made was cynically broken immediately the election results were announced.
      Furthermore, he governed like a dictator, not a “democratically elected” president: the lower house elections were rigged and the courts cancelled the result accordingly; the upper house was voted in on a 10% mandate, and packed with islamists; your “democratically elected” president then gave legislative powers to the upper house – quite illegally. He then covered his ass by declaring that his decrees were immune to judicial review – also quite illegally. Are you sure his first name is not Adolf, rather than Mohamed?
      As for the Constitutional Assembly, I am sure I have no need to remind anyone that it was a rigged assembly, about to be disbanded through court order, but it pre-empted this with an all night sitting, in which it rushed through an islamist leaning Constitution, that we immediately approved by the “democratically elected” president.
      He then sent it to referendum, in only 15 days – a ridiculously short period in which to prepare a country’s citizens for the most important vote in Egypt’s history. And while you love to claim that the constitution was passed by 64%, you also love to omit the fact that the voter participation in this vote was only 33%. In other words, a country’s governing charter was approved by only 20% of eligible voters. In most democracies, a constitution may only be amended by a super majority of 66% of ALL voters.
      So much then, for your “democratically elected” president.
      Having said all that, I also would have preferred that the armed forces would not have stepped in. The Tamarod campaign, which was genuinely popular and non-violent, made a joke of your “democratically elected” president and his entire party. They were on their way out, followed by hoots of laughter from every cartoonist in Egypt. Non-violence would have got rid of him pretty soon, in my opinion.

    • Kenny Simmons

      Who is? When cultures are so diverse, when religions are so different and oppose each other so much; Democracy is not the answer. Tyranny of the minority is what you have. Democracy doesn’t work like you think it does. It oppresses whoever is not the majority. In American, at least 49% are thought to think we’re “brought down by the man”, “controlled by big brother,” big Government”, whatever you call it or however you say it. The minority is opressed. “If you don’t like it here, move. Right! Well, then what’s the point of having a Democracy if minority’s opinions do not matter? Democracy is not the solution for the Worlds problems.

      • Stormtrooper

        Absolutely Kenny. Democracy is nothing but a fancy phrase for Mob Rule…….Here in America our Founders had it right. It’s taken the Progs, Libs and Establishment Repukes over two hundred years to destroy liberty.

    • Ingunn

      But, abdul.a.shaiky, why did this happen? Because Morsi did not fulfill his role as a democratic president. And he did not listen to the
      call from his own people, all the millions that did not like his politics, he did not pay attention. In one year, what did he manage to do for the Egyptian society,….he did not even manage to get rid of the garbage in the streets and parks! Your beautiful country looks like a garbage dump. And how is it acceptable to regard half of the population, women, as 2nd class citizens? I feel sorry for these men, they are really useless. Useless. Another problem with people like those sympathizing with the Brotherhood, they know the ultimate truth about everything, they are not willing to absorb any new in-put. They use sex and violence to supress people. It’s so mean. So mean, and reflects how bad people they are.

      Up to know, they have proved what I say, they have denied all dialogues. Morsi is an intelligent well educated man, so he did go to the election with a hidden agenda. He has proved he did not play the role as a democratic president. He did not execute any simple everyday life benefits for his people. The Egyptians will drown in their own shit. It’s so bad, so bad. I hope for a more humane future for the Egyptian people.

      • abdul .a. shaiky

        HI INGUNN,
        Street politics is not a Democracy.
        you should wait for elections .
        In Egypt to me, it is not the question of Democracy.
        It is a war between Islam And Seculars.
        why no one cry for Secular Democracy in Israeal.?? they have Jewish Sharia. Israeal has Christian, muslims,bahi ect.
        No equal right. no human right.!!!!!!!!!!
        I THINK WE ARE HYPOCRATE.!!
        When I was living in Bahrain ,I was an active supporter of Jamal nasir not now. why.?? EVERY THING IS CLEAR.
        Who is Who.!!!!!!!!!

        • Ingunn

          Hi Abdul, from my point of view, religion and politics should be kept separate. In Egypt it is a question about democracy, the secular represent a more free and liberal way of living and thinking. A free society is govern by the people and is recognized as a democracy. Islam interferes and controls a person’s life on all levels, differently from country to country. Hens, in Saudi Arabia women are not allowed to drive a car! Many places daughters, small girls, are forced to marry old men. I think all humane beings should choose who they will share bed with and eat breakfast with day after day, years after years. I think it’s very special that half of the population, women, is treated as second class citizens. And I will not say it’s in a man’s favour!:) As a woman, I did not feel well in Egypt, and secular men I met, they also suffer in this islamic tyranny. Now, I really don’t know if I dare to visit a muslin country again. A woman from my country was raped, went to the police, which is a natural reaction in my country, the police is supposed to help you and protect you. She was accused of sex outside marriage! drinking alcohol and sentenced to 16 month in prison! She had counted 36 other women in the same situation in that particular prison. It is reported of sex abuse of women in the streets of Egypt. Poor men, BH men, you should have had your balls cut off. It’s so poorly. Keep the democratic focus, new generations coming up, you can’t remain in the Middle Ages. Wait for elections,…. yes, but the democratic elected president should practice as a democratic president.

  • Ebrahim

    This article is full of lies!

    • Agnes

      Do you know who is greatest liar? This who doesn’t stick to his word..

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  • Andy_in_the_US

    Nice article, thanks. As an American liberal, I’d like to say that I’m with you in the fight against Islamism. I hope you don’t think American liberals have abandoned you. The bullshit artists of the MB may win some short-term propaganda wars, but ultimately they will be found out.

  • Nermo

    Great article. It describes our situation perfectly.

  • David Ng

    The Egyptians will economically suffer for years to come because they can not stay with the Government that they elected. Egyptian economy is in shamble. Their income and political importance is the Suez Canal- beside the welfare checks from the united states. This is so sad.

  • Dina Zulfikar

    the law, the law has to be applied on all, justice must take place, interrogations done, whoever is guilty should be punished. Up till now, nothing came out, who did what …. there are thugs, looters everywhere, these should be condemned and taken to courts… one cannot judge… law and respecting the law must take place. We all the 90 million have been living with each other, and will continue to do so. No one should break the law, and whoever is found guilty must be detained. If anyone is caught in theft, robbery, or carrying weapons, this person should be caught by police and interrogation must be made. It is sad, that since the unrest because of disappearance of police, that all streets of Egypt are full of people, young , old and such carrying weapons, sharp objects or such, even now, the ones claiming to act as society watchers… no one has right to carry weapons or sharp objects or threaten people or interrrogate them except police. All Egyptians condemn attacks on Religious practice holly places. All.

  • Tahir

    Your discussion is largely intellectual and for from set international standards. What happened in Egypt is a coup in all standards. If next government comes through ballot box and the deep state ( Judiciary, Military, Bureaucracy, Media and Capitalist class) is not happy with that than the situation will be created by them as that of July 3, 2013. The coup leaders are using the same strategy as Mubarik adapted in his last days. Practically the coup has failed, the question is that when Al-Sisi will resigned along with traditional government and paving the way for neutral interim government with the consultation of all political stake holders. This government will hold free and fair election.

  • king0333

    amazing how softly she wrote in the first paragraph “since the ousting of Morsi with the help of Army ” wow ..aaa its called Coup in the civilized world… like ousting a democratically elected government was never been an issue, all issue started with the sit ins of MB…. you are no Liberal , stop calling urself liberals , you are pro military..consult dictionary for the definition of Liberals

  • Thomas Grounds

    Very informative, and the article paints a clearer picture of what is going on in Egypt than what we are getting in the US. The information about how the Copts are handling the crisis helps explain the news we are seeing here – which is only giving us a partial picture. However, I’d argue that the West (or at least the US) is not supporting the MB, but is only interested in seeing Egypt accomplish legitimate democracy, in a peaceful manner; and that we’d like to see the MB put down their guns and negotiate in good faith with the other cultural entities in Egypt. I’d like to see more reporting like this from Egypt.

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  • jobardu

    I’d like to thank the author for presenting a ground level viewpoint from Egypt. It was very useful. The US and Western media supports the Brotherhood, as do most liberal politicians. It is hard to understand why since the, other than saying the Brotherhood were elected, no rational reasons are advanced regardinjg how the Brotherhood will help either Egypt or the West.
    Rest assured that most Americans believe that getting rid of Morsi was a good idea. An election is a social contract and Morsi breached the contract and the faith in him. It is like gettting married and finding out your spouse is an abuser and a child molester and asking for a divorce. While the left in the West supports divorce from abusive spouses more than any place else, they don’t seem to have made the intellectual transition to divorce from abusive leaders.

    • Ingunn

      Sara, it’s a good informative article. I hope for you Egyptians you will build your society with dialogue and in peace. From my point of view, religion and politics should be kept separate. People should have religious freedom and humane rights in 2013. A country must be governed on the needs of the people in it’s time, not a certain religious faith. Egypt has an enormous environmental challenge to handle, poverty, education for all, to mention what is easily seen as soon as one enter the country. Sara, keep on writing.

    • Ingunn

      No, no, no. The west and the US do NOT support the brotherhood.
      That is really not my impression. No we don’t.

      • jobardu

        I think the situation has changed in the past nine days, so that I tend to agree with you. The West and the US seem to be accepting the reality on the ground in Egypt. How much events in Syria have influenced this is hard to gauge. Before that it seemed, based on my readings, that Obama and the West were negotiating with the new Egyptian government to restore, or at compromise and share governance with the Brotherhood.

        • Ingunn

          I will say, the west has never supported the

          Brotherhood, but the democracy, and wanted to stimulate the democratic, what to call it?, spirit/way way of thinking/philosophy/political practice.

  • Agnes

    Great article… to anyone questioning killing of democracy and legitimacy.. this video should give you answers.

    • Ebrahim

      How many times a year do you want to change a President, 365 times? As they are every days demonstrations in Egypt. It doesnt work like that. Is it difficult to understand that everything that is built on illegitimacy is illegitamate. Removing an elected President by force is against the law! Even My little brother can understand this? BTW im really suprisedthat the so-called liberals are far from democratic while most of the islamists adopted the basic rules of democracy!

      • Ingunn

        Ebrahim, even though you are democratically elected, it’s
        not expected you shall behave like a dictator, is it?

        • Ebrahim

          what do you mean by dictator? now there is no press freedom, channels closed, thousends of the opposition killed, huge number of random arrests, oppression, no voice of the opposition. so you call this democracy? compare 1 year of office of morsi and 2 months of office of the socalled liberals (salv front,…). You should remove elected bodies by democratic means, not by helicopters and tanks!

          • Ingunn

            Now, it’s chaos in Egypt. I was referring to WHEN Morsi was in office, he did not play the role as a democratic president. No, I don’t support the bloodshed by the army, or anybody. The humane being was constructed with the fantastic ability to talk!:) The problem with fanatics/very religious people, they own the truth, it’s impossible to get a fruitful dialogue with them. Unfortunately. The Brotherhood’s leaders are men hungry for power and they cover behind the name of God and manipulate millions of illiterate people, instead of giving them education. With Sharia legislation, it’s easier to maintain and keep the power. For the Egyptian people, it would be like going back to the Middle Ages. But the world has become very small now, we communicate with each other all over the planet within a minute. In 5 h, I’m in Cairo. The Egyptians want their freedom and take part in their everyday life. They will win. I support a free, democratic Egypt with humane rights for all citizens.

          • Ebrahim

            Ingunn, all the oppression tools used by the army, was not used by Morsi at all. Contrary, you were able to demonstrate on the 30th of june without fear. They were even coming with bulldozers ( the socalled peacefull demonstrators) to remove Morsi from his office (you call this democracy?) So conclusions it was much better before 30 june. Now, if you are an opposition member, they tell you, you are a terrorist (without proof) and they use bullets instead of words. Second, please do not tell lies: MB is not hungry for power, it is the first time in 80 years that they come to power through Free elections! Morsi got a mandate for 4 years, wait 3 another years and vote hime out, but you cant because everyone knows he still have the majority of the people behind hime. Give hime a chance, you gave mubarak thirty years of time. One year is not even enough to clean the dust on the office in the palace that has been left by Mubark, in a way of speaking.
            I know that democracy is not only ballot but also keeping an eye on the right of minorities. From my point of view, the rights for minorities is much better unders morsi than mubarak. Now they even dont have rights for women, they kill them, they arrest them because of RBG weapons,ridiculous. The thugs of the interior min are burning churches. And ironically it is protected by MB memebers and not the army and the police. Go to Al Minya and you will see.
            But, what happens when you impose the minority ideology on the majorities (with bullets)? Is this democracy? So killing two third of the citizens in order that 1/3 can live the way they want. Dont you understand that this is a war between having either a civilian gov or a military corrupted one, not between seculars and islamists!

            MB members ( i am not a member of MB) are well educated and it is social movement.

            You said: Egyptians want their freedom and take part in their everyday life. They will win. I guess you have two put things side by side and see who is the suppressor and who are really the freedom fighters (with peacefull means of course).

          • Ingunn

            Do you favour Sharia legislation? When Egypt in the first place started the demonstrations against Mobarak, did you want a new president who made himself more and more autocratic? It’s a big responsibility being a president, even more when you are democratic elected. Your bad situation is Morsi’s fault. I hope Egypt is in the process of achieving freedom, but I understand it’s a painful path, and for sure many things could have been done differently. Why did the MB not come to the table for talking? You say the majority of the population support the B, it is a problem you have with a big percentage of the population who is illiterate. I don’t want to say more about it. You are in the process of democracy, are you not? So, from my point of view it’s a fight between secularists and islamists. Anyway, this should be the focus. The military, the army, is not supposed to govern a country, but protect it.

          • Ebrahim

            Look Ingunn, im telling you facts(killings, arresst, suppression, …) and what you tell me things of the form ” it is not supposed to be…” What i dont understand the seculars always blame the MB. When the MB was in power it was their fault, now they are opposition and it is still their fault. When you ask questions about economic crisis, media, security,… there is always MB in the answer. Dont u think that people are smarter than that, to believe all the lies. So evérything that happens it is the fault of MB. And do you know what. No proofs can given and thats why the military backed gov speaks the language of tanks and bullets. Let me tell you something. Now you are happy because MB is not in anymore in power. Dont celebrate too much, because the next that will approached by the army arre 6 april, salv front, …. The reason for this is easy. The army and their puppets they dont want justice, social justice, freedom. They want corruption, control the entire Egyptian economy. Look only to El Baradei, since he had only 1 difference with the army concerning humanity aspects. You see what happens with him, in september he will be in court. Within a few months you will understand what i mean. You will be the next if u seek freedom and justice….

          • Ingunn

            Hi, you are not answering my questions and responding to my text.
            Islam is not only a religion, but a means to organize a whole society and the individuals life on all levels.
            The faith/religious part, should be separated from the political part. Islam and democracy is actually not compatible. Anyway, I support the secular Egyptians.

          • Ebrahim

            Hi, you are the one not answering my questions. Im telling u facts! If morsi was a dictator (pharao) why doesnt he have the military, the police, the judicary at his side? Easy: because he want to get rid of the corruption everywhere. The only weapon that he has, is a big part of the Egyptian people. The problem is that the apparatus of mubarak has to be destroyed. Removing only one man is not enough, the entire system should be tackeled. You will understand soon when you will seek freedom and justice. As regads political islam, of course the is no problem if u are a moderate islamist. Look at Erdogon what he realized in 10 years. Facts: fatest growing economy , by 2023 will be a world leader, most fractions of women in the parlement, far more than his secular opposition, different backgrounds members in his party, state debt drastically reduced, social justice, .. far better than his secular counterpart. What did the socalled SECULAR mubark realized in 30 years? CORRUPTION and OPPRESSION! What did Bashar Assad realized? What did sadam hussein realized? All this big dictaors were agains political islam. Please answer my questions. Tell me facts.

          • Ingunn

            One of the cornerstones in democracy is religious freedom!!! how is it compatible with sharia legislation? How is it compatible with the way you treat women?…. humane rights.

            You are referring to different secular dictators, do you think that to be secular gives a protection towards crazy individuals? You are referring to Erdogen, have you missed all the violence and demonstrations towards him in the beginning of the summer? He started to take a grip on the people. He even forbid the Turkish air hostesses to use bright red lipstick! Yes, I blame the BH and Morsi, because they are the background for the bad situation in your country. You accuse people of lying, you mean Sara’s article is one big text of lies. What she is saying corresponds very much to what is reported in the media from different reporters in different bureaus.

          • Ebrahim

            Hi, are you going to teach me what democracy means? I was born in Belgium. I ve been living in Belgium for almost 30 years. So I know at least the fundamentals of democracy. Since im both western and islamic educated i have good feelings what sharia and democracy means. It doesnt mean that if you have sharia legislation that there is no religious freedom. Who said that? Look with sharia, you even have more rights for minorities than democracy. E.g., i can have my own (non-islamic) judicary as a non-muslim under a strict sharia rule. In all western countries , as a muslim, i fall under the judicary of the state, i dont have sharia courts. Second, in Belgium and France (the mother of democracy) it is against the law to wear a burka as a woman. Even wearing a veil is not allowed in state institutions and schools. You call this religious freedom? If it is then sharia is far better then your model, under sharia you can coose either wearing a burka/veil or nothing.

            Going back to Erdogan: If the US (occupy wall street 2011) , UK (demos London 2011) and Spain ( Madrid 2011-2012) are operating within the bounderies of democracy, then from my observations Turkey (Istanbul 2013) operates within the bounderies of democarcy as well.

            This is not true i was traveling with Turkish airlines and they still wearing lip sticks!

            Sara’ s article is not objective and a big part doesnt correspond with real facts. There is none media on this planet which is 100% objective. Which media channels are you talking about? The one that is under guard with tanks and helicopters?

          • Ingunn

            I’m not teaching you about democracy, only reminding you, you seam to know the ultimate objective truth about everything!

            Religion has nothing to do with governing a country. It should be abolished,and it was in Europe during the 1500 century.

            I do not believe sharia represent justice and freedom, democracy. How is it women are raped, accused of sex outside marriage , tortured, in front of their children, imprisoned or stoned?

            Yes, good they are still wearing their lipstick! Erdogan was ON his way to decrease women’s freedom. What’s wrong with you men, women are humane beings exactly like you! We do not need a man to look after us like a child!:))) Such men’s behavior only reflects their poor mind.

            I don’t think the reporter from my country standing on the Tahir sq. is lying. He is reporting from the observations he is doing.

            According to cover up women,……I get so horny if I see a man, can you wrap yourself up! ……it has nothing to do with faith actually, this dressing is only a cover up for a jealous man. Many Arabic men must be mentally ill of jelousy and n

            Now, I can report to you about what I experienced in the streets of Egypt. A group of young men passing by in the street, one of them showed me a banknote! I have never ever experienced such behavior in my entirely life, and I’m more than old enough to be his mother! and I have traveled a lot. So, you think all the sexual abuse towards women are lies,……who are the guilty?

          • Ebrahim

            Ingunn, tx for your reply. Since you touch different subjects simultaneously, it is not easy to keep the overview for all subjects . You should address things point by point. I tell you facts you give me responses about everything else. Then i attempt to argument it, you then touch another subject. I will try again to answer/argue all you remarksquestions.

            First of all, i dont think i need a reminder.

            What is a country? From my point of view it is something artificial and not related to something natural. For instance, the borders of the countries in Africa is introduced by the oppressors of France, Spain, Portugal, Britain, …. in the last centries. Before, there were no borders. Now, the European countries gradually move from the concept of countries to the concept of union/community. The borders becoming more and more invisible (eg., cfr. Schengen Area). We even have for eg an European president. Some laws are now imposed from the EU level. Some decisions from the EU are taken without reclecting the voices coming from the local levels (the EU countries). In the future more and more will be regulated and imposed from the higher level, like econmical concepts, military,…. (this somehow more or less the same concept as a khalifat).

            The things that you tell about sharia is not true. I guess you dont know a lot about sharia. Sharia is not Afganistan, Saudia Arabia, Yemen, Mali, … Some terrorists in these countries just abuse the term sharia, they dont practice the true sharia. That is the problem if you rely only on media info. You should do research first before accepting everything what is said in the (western and international) media.

            Is democracy a good model? I think it is one of the best at the moment. Is it an optimal one? I dont think so. I think it will fail within 200 years when there will be lack of natural resources. On the other hand sharia’s model is independent of time and place.

            Of course, women are human beings like men are. We belong to the same set. But it doesnt mean that the elements inside the set are equal. Men and women have their rights and duties. For instance, before

          • Ebrahim

            For instance, since a man cant become pregnant, we dont have the same rights as a woman. So there is no equal sign at all.

            I agree with you that at Tahrir women were raped, … I never denied it. The things is these people are not MB mebers. MB members are well respected and well educated. You should have gone to Raaba sq instead of square, then you should have seen that all the brutal attacks against women were no present. On the 30 june, MB was not presentat Tahrir, but at R4bia sq. Tell your reporter whether he saw some sexual abuse? I dont think so. Even the copts admits that the MB protest are well respected towards woman. If you talk about the thugs on Tahrir, then i totally agree.

          • Ebrahim

            For instance, since a man cant become pregnant, we dont have the same rights as a woman. So there is no equal sign at all.

            I agree with you that at Tahrir women were raped, … I never denied it. The things is these people are not MB mebers. MB members are well respected and well educated. You should have gone to Raaba sq instead of Tahrir square, then you should have seen that all the brutal attacks against women were no present. On the 30 june, MB was not presentat Tahrir, but at R4bia sq. Tell your reporter whether he saw some sexual abuse? I dont think so. Even the copts admits that the MB protest are well respected towards woman. If you talk about the thugs on Tahrir, then i totally agree. I also believe you what you have experienced in Egypt. But are these MB members? I dont think so. These kind of problems you have it all of the world in the big cities.

          • Ebrahim

            The guilty one is of course the man that performed sexual abuse and not the woman that experienced it. The man should be punished of course. So i think on that point we are on the same wavelength :) . But let me say that it can be the other way around, but i agree very rarely. For eg a guy from sweden complained to the state that he was sexually abused by a woman (and it was true).

            Saying that Arabic men are mentally ill and jalouse is not fair and not nice :( , because you make it general which is not true. I cannot say that all the pastors are pedos, even if some of them are.

      • Sammyb

        He was was and still is a Felon, not a president!!

        • Ebrahim

          haha a felon that got almost 13 millions of the votes. so half of the population are felons, or wat? the one that u support lost all elections. you are bad loser man!

          • Sammyb

            As a prison escapee, he should have never been allowed to run for office, besides, he won by scare tactic and arm twisting, his Brother Hoodlum thugs helped him all the way to win the presidency, 30+ million wanted him out and that is more than than 13 millions ie if you can do the math!

          • Ebrahim

            on which source do you rely when you said that 30 x 10^6 were on the street? google? google denied. Of course, every one that has some brains would question this impossible figure. Ok, what about the 60 million that werent on the street? do you know all there opinions? Of course you dont!

          • Sammyb

            Ibrahim, whether is 13 or 30 millions doesn’t matter, the majority spoke and wanted him, the army has given him a lot of time to respond to the people and he did not, oh I forgot that he issued a creed to put himself above the law, is that what you wanted a DICTATOR?

          • Ebrahim

            Sammy, why should he respond to sis? you have to understand that the army hasnt the right to enter politics. The boss of Sisi is morsy, as morsy is elected and sisi not.

            majority? on which base? ballot?

          • Sammyb

            Ibrahim, please to read what I wrote, Gen. El-Sisi responded to the cry of the people, besides Morsi is not Sisi’s boss, he is facing trial for many charges, remember, Morsi is a PRISON ESCAPEE, can not be a president, he was going to turn Egypt to an Islamist state and Sharia law, not acceptable to the people, I gotta go, later!

          • Ebrahim

            Ok, bye!

          • Ebrahim

            what do you mean by dictator? now there is no press freedom, channels closed, thousends of the opposition killed, huge number of random arrests, oppression, no voice of the opposition. so you call this democracy? compare 1 year of office of morsi and 2 months of office of the socalled liberals (salv front,…). You should remove elected bodies by democratic means, not by helicopters and tanks!

          • Sammyb

            Ebrahim, I know you are sympathizer and that is your right,Plenty of freedom press, Aljazeera is brotherhood sympathizer, I agree with shutting down the Islamist channels that promote Islamist propaganda, Morsi never had a democratic hair in his body, he had journalists arrested for not respecting him, he encouraged church burning and killing Christians, I could go on forever citing his ill intents for non Muslims, go read what is happening in Qena(south of Egypt)!

          • Sammyb

            Ibrahim, where do you live? as you know I am an American.

          • Ebrahim

            what? press freedom in egypt?? come on, Aljazeera misr is off air, same for hiwar tv and plenty other ch. They are at least two voices on aljazeera. Can you bring me to Egypt state television such i can say its a coup on state tv? of course you cant, because it is int allowed by the coup leaders. on aljazeera ch you can say it is either a revolution or coup.

          • Sammyb

            WHERE ARE YOU FROM?

          • Ebrahim

            this is not an answer on my remarks. plenty of channels closed on nile sat. 1 voice, no opposition voice on egypt tv. thats reality man! again have you heared another voice on egypt tv?

    • ahmedomar

      Quoting a Liar and using his lies as evidence ! how convincing is that ?

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  • Mai

    Thank you for this brilliant article which gives the absolute facts about the situation in Egypt. I was in Cairo during the whole month of Ramadan and have seen the true facts about what the Morsi supporters and the Muslim brothers were up to. On my return to England I was truly shocked by the absolute lies reported by the media here. They are so pro Morsi and the Muslim brothers, and by the way those people in the camps gave excellent performances as the innocent peaceful victims. However we know the truth, I live very close to the Rabaa camp and have seen how violent and hateful they are. To the people who keep on about how the man was democratically elected and should not have been removed, I say if you have Hitler and the Nazis running your country and victimising minority groups and forcing their evil ideology by force and violence, then you have to act immediately not wait for his term to finish, and that is exactly what was happening. The Muslim brothers are a terrorist organisation that has no regard for human life and has no problem with killing and destroying whatever stands in the way of achieving its aims.

  • Matureguy

    We now have people Egypt landing at Pearson INTL airport giving the same account as to what is happening in Egypt. Are they lying also Ebrahim?

  • Peter Lacovara

    I wish that this would get picked up bu the international press.

  • Reda Sobky

    Thank you for an excellent summary.

  • Thomas Yeats

    Real shame . full of lies. . everyone who has heart and mind sees whats happening in Egypt. Fashist Junta is killing civil unarmed protesters. Army backed thughs set fire the churches but muslims trying to save them. Fashist junta is clsoing tunnels to Gaza and this results hunger and lack of medicine in the area. .Shame on you Sara .

    • Sammyb

      More and more unwanted propaganda!

  • Steven Johnson

    wow! what else is happening?

  • Steven Johnson

    I have so many stories about how money is used in the USA.
    Most of it is insane. I have many stories about myself and money.

  • Solara Imylon

    Egypt! Here in American they are warning tourist to not come to your land, but I would love to come to Egypt, although it is not possible because I am not rich or famous and do not have the ability to speak or understand your languages I’m not afraid because I come not to
    change your government, your religions, or your lifestyles but I come in hopes to study its vibrant history and make
    it my home too. It is like I have known you forever, and your monuments
    are a testament to civilization unparalleled. In Egypt, the color of my
    skin will go unnoticed as so the texture of my hair would not be unusual.
    There I will no longer be a social abstract, as in a strange land among
    strange people who seek souls but I shall live among those who know my
    ancestors and where they are from because they will see them in me.
    Where I am, I must live like an ostrich with my head in the sands of
    time long since forgotten only to be reminded that I am one who has no
    country, wealth, or soul to claim as my own…this I am told, but words from
    the Spinx itself tell me I am not mad, but I
    shall never surrender my soul to those who wish to conquer it. My soul belongs to the heavens, and my praise shall be
    unto the Almighty whom I give the glory, empty men seek. The Sphinx tells me I
    am part of the desert sands and of the Earth that course through the blood of my ancestors who are among the lost in space & time but one day I shall visit your lands but not before this nations spies realize I have written this message…

    Blessing be upon thee, as the descendants of ancient Egypt. there will come a day where you will work out your differences and learn to live in harmony with one another but you must first resist the war-mongers who benefit greatly as you live as a nation at war with itself.

    Solara

    • Sammyb

      Solara, you don’t have to be rich nor famous to go to Egypt, in fact you don’t even need as much money to live in Egypt as you you in Europe, this is not the time, wait till they elect new government!

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