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Renaissance Dam poses threat to Egyptian monuments: Antiquities minister

Sudanese Minister of Foreign Affairs Ali Karty said Tuesday that the GERD would not affect the relationship between his country and Egypt, as Sudan is acting as mediator between Egypt and Ethiopia.


The Grand Ethiopian Renaissance Dam (GERD) will have a negative effect on Egyptian monuments because of the instability of the ground after water recedes (Photo from Ethiopian Electric Power Cooperation)
The Grand Ethiopian Renaissance Dam (GERD)
(Photo from Ethiopian Electric Power Cooperation)

By Aya Nader

The Grand Ethiopian Renaissance Dam (GERD) will have a negative effect on Egyptian monuments because of the instability of the ground after water recedes,  Egyptian Minister of Antiquities Mohamed Ibrahim said Tuesday.

Head of the ministry’s monuments division, Ali Al-Asfar, said this concern should serve as incentive “to the world to study the effect of the dam on Egyptian monuments.”

Current projects nationwide have lowered groundwater, keeping it just below the foundations of monuments, Al-Asfar explained. “The monuments have stabilised over this [altered] position, even if [this lower water level] is incorrect,” he said. “Lowering the water levels further will cause cracks on the long term.”

All such projects in the vicinity of monumental sites should thus be suspended, he asserted.

Sudanese Minister of Foreign Affairs Ali Karty said Tuesday that the GERD would not  affect the relationship between his country and Egypt, as Sudan is acting as mediator between Egypt and Ethiopia.

In a press conference the same day, Egyptian foreign ministry spokesman Badr Abdelatty stressed the historical nature of the bond between Egypt and Sudan, while also emphasising that water security lies at the core of Egypt’s national security.

He added that Egypt’s historical rights to the Nile’s water are “nonnegotiable”.

Egyptian Minister of Irrigation Mohammad Abdul Muttalib had said on Monday that if Ethiopia wants to generate electricity, it should build a smaller dam, noting that the current project would operate “at only 30% efficiency”.

Egypt and Sudan have expressed concern over the effect of the dam on their share of the Nile’s water since its construction began in April 2011.

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  • Lee

    I literally laughed out loud when I read this. It seems like Egypt is contriving every doom’s day scenario they can think of, hoping one will finally strike a nerve with the public and ignite nationalist rage. I don’t want to say it’s getting ridiculous. Egypt had long passed that point. I’ve heard it all, the funniest being that Israel is going to build a pipeline from Ethiopia all the way up the Red Sea, to siphon away Nile water from Egypt. As for Sudan, it’s obvious that Egypt is trying to woo them back, because without them, Egypt is politically isolated and alone.

    • Laughable

      I am also still laughing at the Egyptian “experts” analysis about the GERD and its effect. What stupid morons they are. It is a shame for the Egyptian people to be represented and governed by such idiot people.

      • dj

        Intersting,so its better to say alone and politically isolated,with your old fashioned layman thinking….the dam will be built anyway,eventhough it looks a night mare for you,…i dont even know that Egypt is full fools.

        • Al Masry

          People can disagree without being disagreeable to each other. Refusing logic is foolish act.

      • Al Masry

        Serious Business. The turbines power depends on mainly Spin Velocity . Heav water laden with silt will reduce electric power output and damage the blades over time. Something you should not laugh about my friend.

        • Ethiopia

          Thank you for your concern but we don’t need your (Egyptians’) advice what is best for us!

    • Habromay Ambesagir

      lee…great..post..as..usual

    • Al Masry

      You need new eyeglasses. The project must meet archeological requirements among others. The project will hurt my Ethipians for its limited life time and high electric price. The lake behind the dam will be silted out in few decades.

      • hernandayoleary2

        And Aswan is not silted out because?

    • Al Masry

      Playing with emotion is meaningless. We should base our judgments on relaities on ground, i.e. facts. In a nutshell, the dam will not help our cousin Ethiopians; but will hurt them and waste their resources, and riddle them with debt.

      • Ethiopia

        Haha good you said don’t play with your emotion! if Aswan works for you how on earth GERD won’t work for Ethiopia? Just get out of your selfish desire that have slept for decades. You can’t limit what we can do on our resources. Did you negotiate when u build your dam? what percent did you share us when u split the water share b/n Sudan and U?NONE- while we contribute 85% of the water? That’s your fairness!! lol That’s so embarrassing selfishness! Don’t tire yourself wishing us to stop building. But we are not as selfish as you guys to use it wildly to threaten you. We are God fearing people and do feel responsible to other human creatures. We do that not b/c of you but b/c of our personality that’s why we are open to negotiate and create trust. But what you are craving is to respect your historical selfish water share split b/n the 2 down stream countries by ignoring the 9 up stream countries which originate the Nile river-that’s unheard of!!!

        • Al Masry

          I am sure you are educated and smart man. the upstream nations have riparian Water rights. and down stream nations have Beneficial water rights. How do you think if Uganda bloc water flow from Ethiopia at lake Turkana? You both fight and lose or share the Majestic Nile.

          • hernandayoleary2

            If Uganda blocs the water, well it is their right, because it is their water. Then we negotiate a price to buy the water. We don’t act self righteous, there is no right to Uganda’s water.

    • Ethiopia

      thank you Lee for such vibrant understanding! Egyptians are trying to deceive the international public from the real truth!

    • Al Masry

      Nonsense! For sure you do not know what you talking about? Cheap talk without facts.

  • mesfin

    the picture on this article is not the nile Dam they just posted some old pictures to make it look like bad foundation. Shame on you Daily News

    • Bizuneh

      The usual slogan of Egyptians ministries seems an old fashion! They have to think beyond the confined thinking of ”historical right of water”. The ‘right to water’ and the ‘historical right’ is absolutely contravening.

      We Ethiopians are striving to enshrine equitable and sustainable use and share of Nile river water across the riparian countries. The Ethiopian GRD has nothing to do with the Egyptians ground reserves and not impacted on your historical/monumental sites .

  • mesfin

    As An Ethiopian My Advice to my Egyptian Brothers and Sisters is come to the table and talk this is not 1929 or 1959 we are living in the new era where differences can solve by round table not by yelling, screaming and crying.

    • Alula Shocking Egypt

      Mesfin, go away please, do not beg this settlers. They need to vacate our continent because they are not fit to live with us; Africans are kind, civilized people. They even give their house and sleep outside; No one does like that; Go Africa like Malawi, Zambia,… if you go as guest, they give your their house and even their food and even starve themselves, too kind and too civilized. We did this to ungrateful and primitive Arabs, … they never say even thank you and they tell us they will do this and that. Fuck, we have been dying of famine because of lack of rain, millions of Ethiopians died. No Egyptian came to save our people. Enough is enough. Go and find your water somewhere. You can not live on our dead body forever. Selfish

      • Belesa

        Alula wodi Agame. An Eritreans salivating for war between Ethiopia and Egypt. Ethiopians do not have such murderous mentality.

      • Al Masry

        Egypt/Ethiopia have common culture along history and more recently (2,000 ya); religion. Please do not be emotional. Egypt has the obligation to protect its cousins from ill-doing by special interest groups and bankers.

    • Habromay Ambesagir

      todays..Egyptians…r…arabs..
      and..r…not..our..brothers….
      the..original..Egyptians..were…
      for…as..Bible..says….
      Cush..and..Mizraim..were..
      brothers..sons..of..Ham..
      son..of..Noah.

    • Al Masry

      I agree. Egyptians experts have the obligation to protect their cousins from ill-doing. As dam expert, the dam will hurt Ethiopians best interest I keep in my heart.

  • Egupto

    How do we know this? Because the water lowering activities carried out by ARCE on Luxor’s West Bank have already caused damage to the monuments. Who needs the Ethiopians when we have ARCE screwing around?

  • Alex

    you can make any kind of noise to cause problems but doesn’t move the objective reality and the fact an inch in keeping Egypt’s monopoly of Nile water. Could you remember what has happened to the monuments when Egypt decided to construct the Aswan high dam? If the monuments were not a serious concern and doesn’t stop the Aswan dam from being constructed, do any rational person think GERD would cause problem to the monuments? If so it should be a concern to Egypt but couldn’t qualify as a valid reason to deny the sovereign right of Ethiopia to utilise its natural resources. It is obvious and openly spoken out Egypt’s claim of historical right and Nile water quota has no legal ground on the basis if international river waters utilisation consensus laws and fully rejected by upstream countries. This should be spoken loud and clear and Egypt knows that it is an inherent truth though it is struggling to swallow it.

    • Al Masry

      Please do not be emotional. A big geotechnical projects must meet several requirements. the proposed concrete dam near African Rift that is constantly moving is high risk

      • Ethiopia

        Haha…your ignorance is touching a ceiling! you don’t even know where the Rift lies. Please don’t bogged yourself on matters you don’t know. We have enough knowledge and expertise to over come your concerns- don’t worry for that. We know better about our geological formation and character-OK. Try to study more about African Rift and where it pass through first that talking that GERD is in tectonic region!lol

        • Al Masry

          I agree. I made a mistake about African Rift triggering mega earthquakes induced by the dam lake seepage to the earth crust fracture. Are you a geologist?

  • Alula Shocking Egypt

    You have no historical right because you do not even belong to our continent. You are invaders and colonizers. All colonizers has gone back except you. You need to vacate from our continent and go where you came from; You do not belong to Africa. The monument belongs to us. You have no history in ancient Egypt . We will build this dam and many more, let the monument crumpled down, let the Aswan dam dry, let the Egptian die of thirst of water, let the earth quake, let the sun stop shinning, let the earth quake and convulse, let the stars fall, let the ocean turn upside down, … we will build not only this dam, but many more. Idiots

    • banjaw

      Agame, calm down. Make your point with civility. Your argument is as stupid as the Egyptian minster.
      People like you should stay away from making comments related to GERD.
      Thumbs up for Lee and Alex.

      • Alula Shocking Egypt

        Banjaw, it is none of your business you ass licker. Banda,

        • tiger

          banjaw>stupid you are disgusted , stupid naftegna

    • Okello

      Alula take it easy. Egyptians will not be swayed by your insults, but by other legal and realistic facts on the ground. We will build this dam, and many others like you said. However, that right will be asserted by our conviction and willingness to pay for it, be it war or other forms. I really liked a quote from a man I was not so much a fan of, Meles Zenawi, when he said to Egyptians, “Things have changed, and for good.” That’s what terrifies the Egyptians, not your insults. Egyptians know that the era of their dominance over the Nile waters is over. That’s is why they are making comical statements every other day. The pyramids will shake if Ethiopia builds a dam. Now that’s hilarious…LOL

  • Alula Shocking Egypt

    Neither Arab settlers in ancient Egypt nor their dam nor the ancient monument are better than Ethiopian people. You are not better than us. There is no moral ground that says you have to Arab settlers in Egypt has to use Ethiopian water and Ethiopian has to die ; it does not make any sense. You gotta swallow the objective reality that we go no use the river from now onwards. There is nothing you can do about this.You are only inspiring us to think of harness the water even 100%. I never thought of controlling the water all in all. But now you are making me to think like that. It is cause and effect. You will be the cause for us to think of even controlling the entire water because you are pushing us too much. You must beg us and pay us. That is what they used to do even before. You need to pay for the water from now on wards. You are ungrateful to the people. You use our water, but you are our enemy. You never planted a single tree in Ethiopia to protect the water. If you ever did, what you did destroying the trees by waging directly and indirect war. Animals

    • Al Masry

      Egyptians with their African population roots created the first human civilization. Some of your musical instruments are Egyptian instruments. Please be kind and civilized to others.

      • Crocus

        “Egyptians with their African population roots created the first human civilization.”

        You need to preach that to the army of Indiana Jones wanna be mummy hunters (who call themselves Egyptologists) in your land. I doubt they are aware they are still riding a Victorian horse. Thanks to science, their sophistry has been laid bare, not that Ethiopians did not know their history very well.

        And quit making snide remarks like “playing with emotion” and “be civilized” etc… It is hypocritical and condescending. Your shameful countrymen are reinventing slavery. Their forebears did the same some 1700 years ago. Tell your Bedouin cousins in Sinai, who hold themselves out as Muslims, to get religion. It is the height of Barbarism to enslave humans in the 21st century. Bedouin hospitality is an oxymoron. (Michael Asher must be burying his head in shame.)

        • Al Masry

          Dear Diqus Crocus:

          sorry you feel that way Come and see Egypt’s people and culture diversity. I have the moral obligations to my fellow Ethiopians to defend their best interest. The lake will spread tropical diseases and mud will plug the turbines in gusto. the small dams you have now lost their efficiency. FYI, there is a new breed of turbines runs without reservoir lake. Ethiopia will never be able to recover the cost of concrete dam my friend.

          • Ethiopia

            Hahaaaaaa….you are amazingly daring person! you have moral obligation to defend wee Ethiopians?!!! Since when? You don’t know us and our history! Who have ever defend us? We defend ourselves with the shield of our God. God is our protector Who has given us the power and wisdom to protect ourselves. Do you forget we victoriously defeated you Egyptians twice! It’s colonial Britain protected Egypt. We are the independent people who is capable of protecting ourselves. Don’t ever worry about us, it would be enough if you could for yourself. Leave the dam and its technicalities for us as we never asked for. lol Instead defend your people by advising to use your enormous under ground water and also try to use Mediterranean sea water by importing the purification technology.

        • Al Masry

          If two people have the same right; they either fight and lose or work together and gain.(A Nubian wise man). We share faith and culture and we must behave accordingly. No room for hatred or anger.

        • Al Masry

          We have common history and kings your should be proud of. I love Egyptian/Ethiopian music folklore. Check the Mastaba musical band on Facebook. come and visit Egypt, you will enjoy being with Nubians, Ethiopians, Somalis, etc.

        • Al Masry

          I am sorry for your negative feelings about Egyptians. We are trying to help ans show you the downfalls. FYI, I am not paid by anyone. My reward is to protect my cousins in Ethiopia.

  • axumethiopia

    So you think we will starve to save the statutes…you people are pathetic…give back the history of black Africa to Africans you racist semai Europeans….

  • cambodine

    These people are desperate and are becoming more so by the day. Ethiopia and their ally USA are very aware of what this broken nation might be capable of and are taking appropriate measures to be sure. Egypt had ample opportunity over the years to change their fortunes but failed miserably. I suspect they arrogantly believed they would always be the undisputed regional heavyweight and would take what they wanted. Gross miscalculation, and because they refused to check their population explosion in a civilised manner, it may well be done through rather barbaric means, war and famine.

    • Al Masry

      Come and visit Egypt to see its African population roots. we do not discriminate against anyone as you do. We try to help you avoiding financial and ecological disaster s. I bid you peace! for your troubled sole.

      • Ethiopia

        Wow wow, you r helping us to avoid our financial disaster? I now confirm that you know nothing or deliberately ignoring the truth! when did ever Egypt think good for Ethiopia? Is it b/c you think is good every where blocking Ethiopia not to get any financial support from international source?? Now we r relying on our own source that you can’t do anything about it! There is a say from my compatriots “There is time for everything!”

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  • Black

    Desperate guys! They are telling their wish as science….surprising. Why Aswan not cracked in middle of arid climate
    ?

  • Crocus

    Egypt: give it a rest. You are flailing your hands. The odor of your self-serving babble is very strong. And what is up with the arrogant tone? It seems like you have a grossly inflated sense of yourselves.

  • dj

    Why The Egyptian Revolution has Failed

    In the last few months the Egyptian Revolution, a movement that was
    once touted as an indication of the rising tide of democratic liberalism
    in the Middle East, has come to screeching halt. The Western media,
    undeniably blinded by the optics of the revolution, has been left
    scratching its head and asking itself what went wrong. With our
    democratic sympathies, western onlookers tended to place too much
    importance on the popular appearance of the movement and the
    revolutionaries deployment of modern communication methods like Twitter
    and Facebook. While the use of social networking might be an interesting
    footnote in future accounts of Egypt’s currently arrested revolution,
    it is far from being enough to make radical change occur. The truth is
    that the Egyptian revolution hit a wall the moment the military took
    over.

    A nation’s military is always going to be the most organized and
    disciplined faction at play in any national event. This fact is
    especially true in nations like Egypt that are essentially police
    states, where military might is the true source of the government’s
    authority. With this in mind, it should have come as no surprise that
    national control would fall to the military rather than any of the
    political factions within Egypt. Without significant sympathies within
    the military, liberal revolutions –and arguably all revolutions– face
    insurmountable odds.

    • Well as to the question of the Ethiopian dam it has been accepted by the
      international panel of experts composed of Ethiopia,Egypt, and Sudan
      that it has well/properly equipped with latest technologies and has
      achieved all scientific studies all concerns. The dam is well designed
      to serve all riparian countries fairly. Any question that comes after
      this is naive or comic. I must tell u lets either sink or swim.. Never
      consider the great Ethiopians will build a dam without studies…It is
      well studied and destined ..now it is 33% reached. Lets cooperate rather
      than attacking, lets be living in 21 century…

  • solomon

    God created all natural resources for all human beings to live and share among each other in their life time,and therefore, i would like to advice to my Egyptian/Ethiopian Brothers and Sisters come out from those source of negative driven leaders and believe in sharing is the best !!! Thank you !!!

  • Jasmine

    Are their ministers sorcerers or something? And isn’t there an end to blind and bullish disregard towards others? Egypt’s Nile water right is “non-regotiable”? Are you kidding us? You can hug the old tattered treaty paper between you and your colonizer for ever…but, the fact is, how can you enforce that right when the Ethiopian farmers are building more capacity by the year and utilizing the water for irrigation, which they are and they will? The conversation is getting ridiculous…you may convince your own electorates with those words but not Ethiopians or other upstream states. Sudan will stick with Ethiopia, even more so because of Egypt’s bullish invasion on the Halayeb and Shalateen territory of Sudan.

    • Al Masry

      Dear Jasmine:
      I agree, there is no place for emotion from both sides. Both courtiers has equal water rights: Beneficial use and beneficial Use. In addition, Egypt has Appropriative water rights.
      Anyway, Your admission of limited useful life of the proposed dam to 10 years will lead to financial disaster as I predicted.
      Now, Mother Nature is increasing annual precipitation in response to Global Warming. There will be more water that the proposed dam can handle and breakup with dire consequences. I seriously question the technical ability of your consultants and Egyptian experts. Both are downright wrong. I love Ethiopian spicy food and their smart kind people.

  • Kebede

    Please stop denying the objective reality! The dam will be built at whatsoever cost. Forget your old propaganda and come on board for genuine cooperation so that your country will benefit from the electric power that the dam will generate. Don’t mislead your nation with unfounded fear!

    • Al Masry

      To Khaled:
      You no the dam does not meet minimum scientific/engineering standard and it is waste of money. the lake will be filled with sediments in few decades and ethipians will be helding empty bag. the cost of electricity during the short life time of the dam is prohibitive and the loss of existing farmland under the lake. who you are kidding?

      • Ethiopia

        Al Masry, why don’t you leave us, why r u trying to be more responsible than the owner???? So funny argument y trying to be more responsible. Let what your concerns happier to us, they all don’t affect you. But we thank you for your concerns and advices. but if we don’t hear you just drop it. We know very well and the best for us and even how best to utilize the resource with neighbors. That’s why many countries are supporting us even your long time and historical friend-Sudan is convinced how much the dam project is beneficial for both Sudan and Egypt and the region at large. Keep your expertise for yourself and try to learn and study more.

        • Al Masry

          Nile nations are one body. What impact one member will hurt everyone. We are all the Nile keepers for providing us with life. An Ethiopian limnologist (lake Scientist) told me the shallow lake behind the dam will be cesspool in 5-10 yrs and spread tropical diseases. It is my duty to warn my friends against this immanent danger. Sudan will not buy power that projected 4-6 more expensive than fair market value. I would not trust the present Sudan ruler for cutting the hands and tongues of his opponants in the name of God. LOOL.

          • Meni

            The imminenet danger could be, if we loss our mind and poisoned the water. Then we will sound like Eyptian expertise.

          • hernandayoleary2

            Funny how this hasn’t occured at the Aswan dam since 1960.

  • dj

    ‘The dogs may bark; the caravan goes on!’‥.move on Ethiopia.

  • Habromay Ambesagir

    Egyptian..worms..leave..Ethiopian Dam..alone

  • Aladdin, Egypt

    Aladdin, Egypt

  • decscafe

    In my opinion the River Nile is for everyone because God gave the nature to people for their own benefits and nobody should own it as if theirs alone.It should be share by these countries to benefit them all.Funny to hear that there is such people who feels as if they own it .Water is very important to each and everyone so no one should even think about that this or that country need it more than the other one.

    • Alula Shocking Egypt

      Are you kidding ? God also gave Oil to people. right? Can I go or threaten Saudi Arabia to give me oil? It is the same thing. They are making money even with the worthless plastic material oil? why we cannot not sell the most precious item in our backyard, Nile springs up from the backyard of my house? If all the trees in Ethiopia dry, there will not be any Nile. Egyptians never planted trees in Ethiopia. But they were destroying trees by waging wars. Trees die when they hear the sound of gun. Trust me, Egyptians sponsored Shabia of Eritrea for 30 years destroying our people and our environment, trees. If they could have infested in Ethiopia in planting trees and doing reforestation, there would not have been any problem today. But they are very narrow, myopic, selfish, greedy, backward, and primitive, they think there will be more water from the Nile by destroying Ethiopia ? It is like what the Americans do around the world, if they could spend the money they spend on war helping poor people across the globe, all human being would have worshipped America like God. But human tendency is to do the opposite. Why so selfish? why not think for others too? we all live short, temporary lives on earth? why so much greed? only me? only me? Oh my God, having seen the poor mindset of Egyptian scholars, we have no choice, but to tell them back off from our back.

      • Al Masry

        Al Masry
        We have binding common culture. Please respect it.

  • Berhan Bezabih

    This shit is so funny! This is the latest new excuse ……… What about Aswan dam ? I guess you forgot or you just don’t even talk about it…. This is 2014 For God’s sake!

  • Aladdin, Egypt

    Aladdin, egypt

  • Aladdin, Egypt

    Aladdin, Egypt

  • Tell Truth

    “GERD will have a negative effect on Egyptian monuments – Minister of Antiquities Mohamed Ibrahim said Tuesday”. This is embarrassing, seriously embarrassing for a civilized country like Egypt. Egypt will continue to be in crisis for as long as its leaders are morons like Mohamed Ibrahim. Where is the new Egyptian generation? Why are they quite when people like Mohamed Ibrahim are damaging the country?

    • Al Masry

      I love and respect our common culture. Big geotechnical projects require to meet many aspects including the protection of archeological sites. FYI, building a concrete, water dam along the Great African Rift in earth’s crust does not meet the standard engineering requirement. It is too risky. The earth crust moves few inches/year.

    • Al Masry

      Please be fair and careful for throwing acccusations about your historical friends who are trying to protect Ethiopia from pitfalls. We have common history and civilization for thousands of years. Visiste Egypt and see it tall, dark skin people; the Nubians and Ethiopians.

  • Aladddin, Egypt

    Aladdin, Egypt

  • Collateral Damage

    Now lets all laugh on Egyptian politicians, hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah a few second break hahahahahahahahahahah

  • Al Masry

    Al Masry:

    Please do not remove my comments. I care about my Ethiopia neighbors and warning them about the great thift of their resources. I have the academic and years of experience in designing and building water dams for irrigation and/or hydro-power worldwide. Economically and technically the project is doomed to file and cost our friends billions to waste.

  • Al Masry

    Al Masry

    I challenge the dam designing firm to publish the rate of sedimentation behind the dam, the projected hydraulic jump and the kilowatts/hr cost. the dam is against the best interest of our Ethiopian brothers and will waste their natural resources.

  • Al Masry

    Pleasse stop removing my comments

  • Al Masry

    It is violation to the Constitution to remove my comments. I am defending Ethiopians interest from financial sharks. The project has no merits based on standard engineering and scientific facts. Shame on Egyptian hydrologists for not advising Ethiopia to protect its interest.

  • Al Masry

    You have no right to remove my comments.

  • Al Masry

    Al Masry
    there is no reason to get emotional. zWith all candors, the dam will never benefit Ethiopia based on engineering facts and science. The lake behind the dam will be silted out in few decads and the projected power will not be affordable. I hope my Ethiopian friends listen from world experts.

  • Al Masry

    Al Masry

    My der Ethiopian friends:

    I care about you
    and your interest. Based on engineering
    and scientific facts, the dam has limited life time not more than 40
    years. You will end holding empty bag
    with lot of debts.

    Building dams is my profession and I can tell you that
    the projected hydraulic jump of water will not produce enough electric power
    before the lake is buried by the silt.

  • Al Masry

    Al Masry

  • Al Masry

    You mut listen to reasons and logic. the dam will lose its lake in few decades by silt and will never recover construction cost.

    • Ethiopia

      If it happens it hurts us not you, it’s our pocket not yours. So don’t worry for that! Let the hurt be on us from the failure than drought and power sort age that hurt us more. For the silt….we have the knowledge how to control. We don’t need your expertise advice. Share your knowledge to your Egyptians not to us. From our technical study Aswan produces not more than 2500 MW with the decreasing potential due to silt sedimentation and with the current Egypt power demand there is a huge and growing gap. So the construction of our GERD can support Egypt’s chronic needs. This is what we are saying the dam benefits the regional countries and boosts their relationships as Kenya, Sudan and Djibouti and already linked with power grid and others (like S.Sudan) are on preliminary preparation for similar cooperations.We are inviting Egypt to utilize this golden opportunity.

  • Al Masry

    Al Masry
    I challenge the engineering firm to publish how long tit will take to fill the dam lake with sediments and the projected cost of electricity? From my experience in dams nd hydropower plants, the project will hurt my Ethiopian friends.

  • Al Masry

    Al Masry
    Ethiopian plateau consists of decomposed, weathered granite. Rain and even wind carries out it it loose particles away. The Nile water near its source is brown from the silt and estimated at 3-4% of the flow. When the dam hold water, sediment will settle at the bottom and gradually fill the lake.and reduce it capacity to hold water. In other wards, the lake will be filled with sediment in 30-40 years that ends the project life time. My Ethiopian friends will be standing holding empty bag with enormous debt.

    • Jasmine

      Al Masry,

      Our home grown engineers and international consultants have sorted out the cons and pros of the project…thank you for your concern. Even if the project life time is 10 years, it’s ours to loose. We know what we can do, we have several dams out here, so we know what we are dealing with. Be more concerned about how to position your (Egyptian) official response with regard to upper riparian countries stand, rather.

    • hernandayoleary2

      Except that the silt can be removed by underwater divers and underwater cleaning and suction and drenching teams, in addition to the fact that the water can always be diverted into the diversion stream which would permit the entire dam to go dry for cleaning if flow was blocked.

      And if the dams capacity will be reduced by settlement at the bottom, that is only a justification for building a very tall dam, far higher than you actually need so when the bottom fills with silt, you can keep the dam running.

      And the dam will pay off in 30 years. They are going to charge for electricity and water, that will pay for it.

  • Al Masry

    why Egypt suggesting smaller dam? Because the risk of ground shift along the Great African Rift in the crust of this region. Few inches will crack the proposed concrete dam. the smaller the dam, the less the risk and damage down stream. smaller dams will give hydrologists and experts how fast the lake will fill out by sediments and Cost/Benefit ratio of the power project. Please do not get emotional, it is pure science and engineering my Ethiopians friends.

    • hernandayoleary2

      Small dam means faster evaporation of water. So its useless. You need big dams, look at Hoover dam.

  • Al Masry

    No emotional act! I am putting my academic and years of experience in hydropower project to protect Ethiopians. They are smart and kind people; I love.

    • Jasmine

      Ethiopia doesn’t need your ‘protection’, my friend. As to your love of Ethiopians, we feel the same towards honest Egyptians. But we are always suspicious , for justifiable reasons, of what can come out from Egypt these days.

  • Al Masry

    Al Masry
    shame on Egyptian hydrologists and dam experts for not advising our Ethiopians friends abut the Great Thift of their natural resources. The dam is build on shaky ground economically and scientifically.

  • Al Masry

    What is hydraulic Jump?
    It is the difference between lake water lel and the base of the dam gate (sluice gate) at the discharge. The bigger the differenc, the more power to drive turbines . Now, the projected hydraulic jump for the dam is too small to produce cost-effective electricity. In Hoover & High Dam sit is about 134 ft. It calamity out of proportion to our Ethiopian friends to lose the money they invested on a failed project.

  • Al Masry

    I am convinced, without doubts, the project will hurt our Ethiopian brothers. Its net gain is negative for the reasons I elaborated on for the limited useful life of the dam before filled with sediments. It is calamity out of proportion to see our friends hacked by international mafia. Shame on Egyptian engineers and hydrologists for not advising Ethiopians about the downfall of the project. May be they do not know better.

  • Al Masry

    Hydro Compaction of Soil
    Lowering groundwater will induce ground subsidence and endanger the foundations of any structure. It is scientific fact we see it everywhere worldwide.

  • Al Masry

    My smart Ethiopians:
    Before you commit to la larger dam, find out the loss of power generation from the small dams you have now and the amount of mud build up in the lake that eventually will plug the sluice gates..

  • Al Masry

    In managing mega project, I had to keep open to new ideas. We need Goodwell conference by all Nile nations to assert our mutual respect and future cooperation. the issue is so complex and requires multiple solutions. We all need to protect and develop the majestic Nile River. I love Ethiopians culture and history. I hope to come to lake Turkana to test velocity turbines. Please no emotion involved other than the best interest o all people.

  • Al Masry

    The issue is so comples and involves ecology, environment, economic, engineering, hydrology, geotechnical risks, social, health impact, political, etc. we need to work together. I apologize for the stupid remarks made by religious terrorists to invade Sudan and Ethiopia. I care about my friends very much. I do not work for anyone other than my conscious and moral obligations. Please click on
    http://www.el-mastaba.org/ this is true Egypt.

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  • hernandayoleary2

    If you didn’t want your antiquities under water, you should have flooded the Aswan region.

    “He added that Egypt’s historical rights to the Nile’s water are “nonnegotiable”.

    Agreed, so negotiations must end, and Egyptians can drink salt water.

    “Egyptian Minister of Irrigation Mohammad Abdul Muttalib had said on Monday that if Ethiopia wants to generate electricity, it should build a smaller dam, noting that the current project would operate “at only 30% efficiency”.”

    up yours, Ethiopia dam just got 10 feet higher, Ethiopia will build as high as they want to, and with that attitude we really will cut your water.

https://dailynewsegypt.com/2014/02/04/renaissance-dam-poses-threat-egyptian-monuments-antiquities-minister/
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